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I'm finishing up the thieves guild questline and have to go through a falmer ruin filled with nothing but heavily-armored falmor. I'm level 54. My character's primary skills are conjuration, illusion, sneak, and one-handed. 

I've been doing fine, but I can't one-shot these things, even with ancient shrouded gauntlets on. And these things can one-shot me. Even if I stand around invisible I'll just suddenly drop dead out of nowhere, it would appear that their arrows can one-shot me from full hp. How the hell they can have a bow that deals nearly 300 damage in one-shot I don't know, but its there.

Anyway, yesterday I just got fed up with being forced to replay the beginning segment over and over again, and started spamming killall and player.kill. Disabling the floor so I'll fall infinitely, disabling the npcs with me, in general just throwing a big hissy fit over the fact that once again a playthrough I was attempted just out of nowhere came to a screeching halt.

I tried again today, got into the habit of saving after every fight, but that doesn't help much when I have to do the same damned fight 10 [censored] times just because I have no armor. Lessen learned: always wear armor, always invest in heavy armor or light armor, because you won't be able to do [censored] if you don't.

I've actually been tempted to turn the difficulty down, but then I would feel like I cheated. Of course, I'm playing on expert, so I guess it wouldn't be 'cheating' to acknowledge that despite playing this game since it came out I simply can't handle anything above 'enemies throw themselves at you and let you slaughter them' mode.


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I'm finishing up the thieves guild questline and have to go through a falmer ruin filled with nothing but heavily-armored falmor. I'm level 54. My character's primary skills are conjuration, illusion, sneak, and one-handed. I've been doing fine, but I can't one-shot these things, even with ancient shrouded gauntlets on. And these things can one-shot me. Even if I stand around invisible I'll just suddenly drop dead out of nowhere, it would appear that their arrows can one-shot me from full hp. How the hell they can have a bow that deals nearly 300 damage in one-shot I don't know, but its there.Anyway, yesterday I just got fed up with being forced to replay the beginning segment over and over again, and started spamming killall and player.kill. Disabling the floor so I'll fall infinitely, disabling the npcs with me, in general just throwing a big hissy fit over the fact that once again a playthrough I was attempted just out of nowhere came to a screeching halt.I tried again today, got into the habit of saving after every fight, but that doesn't help much when I have to do the same damned fight 10 [censored] times just because I have no armor. Lessen learned: always wear armor, always invest in heavy armor or light armor, because you won't be able to do [censored] if you don't.I've actually been tempted to turn the difficulty down, but then I would feel like I cheated. Of course, I'm playing on expert, so I guess it wouldn't be 'cheating' to acknowledge that despite playing this game since it came out I simply can't handle anything above 'enemies throw themselves at you and let you slaughter them' mode.

 I wouldn't consider turning difficulty down cheating, esp.with a problem like yours. These high-end falmers can be devastating. But, in case you wanna remain stubborn in that regard, tell me what perks you have in Illusion, conjuration and sneak. How does your magicka/health/stamina balance look? Would you consider throwing some enchanting into the mix? Maybe we can even talk this over in the appropriate thread (wink,wink)


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@Belisaurus Haha! - Please step on in to my thread; Dr. Beli will see you now!


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@Hemlok_Kowl said:

@Belisaurus Haha! - Please step on in to my thread; Dr. Beli will see you now!

 Yup, shameless advertising. But anywho, we need to know more about @xBlackHeartx 's build to help him properly. Right? Right?


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@Belisaurus Yeah definitely! - I was just thinking maybe he should use conjuration to help provide a distraction along with a follower if he has one, but we do need to know more.


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what are your conjuration levels get the summon dreamora


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@alaann Expert.


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@Hemlok_Kowl said:

@alaann Expert.

 the original poster level


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@alaann Oops, misread your post; thought you were asking which level of conjuration you need to be at to summon a Dremora! - My bad, sorry!


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@Hemlok_Kowl said:

Yeah definitely! - I was just thinking maybe he should use conjuration to help provide a distraction along with a follower if he has one, but we do need to know more.

 Or, can he summon a dremora lord? I'd do that, drink some invisibility potion and just wait to see what happens. I'd also consider grinding my Smithing skill up a bit, to get the marvelous Arcane Blacksmith perk. I do it with most characters, even those not otherwise interested in smithing. Just hate to waste all of this cool pre-enchanted stuff.

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Me and @alaann just had the same question at the same time.


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@Belisaurus Mind you, Dremora Lords only have 345 health, so it'd be a short lived distraction unless he can keep re - summoning! Dremora Valkynaz's summoned using the Sanguine Rose would fare better - 545 health.


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I have all the sneak perks, all the illusion perks, all the conjuration perks except for the ones for summoned weapons (I do have mystic binding though), and one-handed I have 4 armsman, fighting stance, savage strike (I rarely power attack), dual furry and dual savagery. I got the latter two perks back when I could withstand melee for more than a split second. I've also diverged from the build and invested a bit into enchanting, speech, lockpicking (mostly bc I got sick of not being able to open master locks, I think my skill rank is 93 or 94 right now), and a few points in pickpocket, though with my pickpocket enchantments I already had 90% chance of success, I'm only really investing in the tree so I can reverse pick-pocket poisons.

As for equipment, I wear arch mage's robes (I'm also an altmer), ancient shrouded boots and gauntlets, and a ring and necklace that fortify my pickpocket by 20 something percent (I found both items). The only items I've made with enchanting were some fortify illusion items, so I could re-level my illusion more easily. I've made it legendary three times now. As for headwear, I have 4 options. Volsung, Morokei, Krosis, and the aetherial crown with the atronach stone on it. I wear a different one depending on the situation. Right now I'm mostly using the aetherial crown to deal with magic, but that isn't helping much. I currently have the thieve's stone on my character because I was leveling my pickpocket for the thieves guild.

The only item I have that would fortify my health is the gauldur amulet. I also have a ring that fortifies my magicka by 50, but I rarely wear it anymore since I don't really need it. Really the only thing that puts a serious dent into my magicka is dual-casting invisibility.

My magicka is 530 (without the aetherial crown, but adding the +100 I get from being an altmer and wearing the arch-mage's robes), health is 320 (base), and stamina is 100 (base).

Oh, and I have all the vampire lord perks. Not too sure how my two companians would feel about me turning into a vampire lord though.


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@Hemlok_Kowl said:

@Belisaurus Mind you, Dremora Lords only have 345 health, so it'd be a short lived distraction unless he can keep re - summoning! Dremora Valkynaz's summoned using the Sanguine Rose would fare better - 545 health.

if i rember right the dremora you get when you summon changes with your level


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@xBlackHeartx Your companions shouldn't freak unless you attempt to click on them whilst transformed, but the Falmer would quickly murder you in VL form anyway. It sounds to me like you aren't even remotely equipped to deal with them. I seriously recommend you get yourself some armour (light or heavy would do), and put those enchanting skills of yours to good use, there's no point in going into combat wearing accessories that boost your lockpicking; You need to be wearing enchants like fortify health, one handed, muffle, stamina, magicka, heavy or light armour, health and magicka regen, man; You've got work to do!


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@xBlackHeartx said:

I have all the sneak perks, all the illusion perks, all the conjuration perks except for the ones for summoned weapons (I do have mystic binding though), and one-handed I have 4 armsman, fighting stance, savage strike (I rarely power attack), dual furry and dual savagery. I got the latter two perks back when I could withstand melee for more than a split second. I've also diverged from the build and invested a bit into enchanting, speech, lockpicking (mostly bc I got sick of not being able to open master locks, I think my skill rank is 93 or 94 right now), and a few points in pickpocket, though with my pickpocket enchantments I already had 90% chance of success, I'm only really investing in the tree so I can reverse pick-pocket poisons.
As for equipment, I wear arch mage's robes (I'm also an altmer), ancient shrouded boots and gauntlets, and a ring and necklace that fortify my pickpocket by 20 something percent (I found both items). The only items I've made with enchanting were some fortify illusion items, so I could re-level my illusion more easily. I've made it legendary three times now. As for headwear, I have 4 options. Volsung, Morokei, Krosis, and the aetherial crown with the atronach stone on it. I wear a different one depending on the situation. Right now I'm mostly using the aetherial crown to deal with magic, but that isn't helping much. I currently have the thieve's stone on my character because I was leveling my pickpocket for the thieves guild.
The only item I have that would fortify my health is the gauldur amulet. I also have a ring that fortifies my magicka by 50, but I rarely wear it anymore since I don't really need it. Really the only thing that puts a serious dent into my magicka is dual-casting invisibility.
My magicka is 530 (without the aetherial crown, but adding the +100 I get from being an altmer and wearing the arch-mage's robes), health is 320 (base), and stamina is 100 (base).
Oh, and I have all the vampire lord perks. Not too sure how my two companians would feel about me turning into a vampire lord though.

 you dont need to wear the arterial crown to get both stone powers,you dont have alot of combat perks try leveling your archery and getting dremora at the colleage


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@xBlackHeartx said:

My magicka is 530 (without the aetherial crown, but adding the +100 I get from being an altmer and wearing the arch-mage's robes), health is 320 (base), and stamina is 100 (base)

 This is decent for a mage, not necesarily for a mage/warrior. How strong are these falmers? Even Mayhem doesn't work on any of them? Or dual-casted rage?

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As for equipment, I wear arch mage's robes (I'm also an altmer), ancient shrouded boots and gauntlets, and a ring and necklace that fortify my pickpocket by 20 something percent (I found both items). The only items I've made with enchanting were some fortify illusion items, so I could re-level my illusion more easily. I've made it legendary three times now. As for headwear, I have 4 options. Volsung, Morokei, Krosis, and the aetherial crown with the atronach stone on it. I wear a different one depending on the situation. Right now I'm mostly using the aetherial crown to deal with magic, but that isn't helping much. I currently have the thieve's stone on my character because I was leveling my pickpocket for the thieves guild.

 It seems to me you hardly use any armor. You need one, at least the alteration Mage Armor spells. You can't go close cobat (which I assume you do, since you have one-handed perked hansomely), without any sort of protection, not on Expert difficulty, I don't think. Else, you will die a lot.

@xBlackHeartx said:

I have all the sneak perks, all the illusion perks, all the conjuration perks except for the ones for summoned weapons (I do have mystic binding though), and one-handed I have 4 armsman, fighting stance, savage strike (I rarely power attack), dual furry and dual savagery

 See, here's one problem right there. If you don't use power attacks while specialising in dual weapon combat, you're loosing a lot in your DPS department. With no points in stamina, you can't use your dual weapons effectively. You need to find/make a fortify stamina gear asap.

Also, with maxed Conjuration, you should be able to summon two dremora lords? And with your Illusion you can just become invisible almost at will? There's no need to use your weapons then.

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Also, what race are you?


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@xBlackHeartx @Belisaurus 

Also bear in mind that invisibility's useless unless combined with muffle whilst sneaking.


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My boots have muffle on them, and my gloves double my sneak attack damage. And yes, I can summon dremora lords, though that doesn't seem to help keep me from getting offed by a stray arrow. For my weapons I use blade of woe mostly. I rarely even try to melee anymore so I don't even use bound sword. I also recently got chlllrend (maxed version), so I see little use for bound sword anyway.

And I said already that I'm an altmer, a high elf.

And yeah I agree, it would probably help if I had more useful enchantments on my ring and necklace. I do own the ring of namira, but I don't know if I can eat falmer. Well, I did kill some bandits outside, so I guess I could eat them, but I'll have to backtrack through a dungeon to get it. Its stored in a chest at my mansion in the pale.

If it matters, I've done all the daedric quests except for mephala's, so I do own all the daedric artifacts except for mephala's. I was using mehrune's razor before I got the blade of woe. And I tried to go in there with nightingale armor, but I found myself out of mana all the time. I went back and put on my normal equipment. Surprising how much difference that the archmage's robes make.


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Your armor rating and expert level are what's killing you here. If you had gone full mage (no armor) and gotten the appropriate alteration mage armor perks you'd probably have an armor rating around 200 or more (ironflesh with second level mage armor perk, at least). Not great but probably enough to survive getting one-shotted.

You basically created a glass-canon build. The only waste I see is the over investment in one-handed when you can't even survive one hit. This build is still doable but you need to switch to full guerrilla warfare tactics. If you hit, summon, and run away you will eventually whittle away your enemies. Your pace through dungeons will be VERY slow though. If you want to keep the expert level setting, go do something else for a few levels and come back when you are more prepared.

When you are trying to one-shot them you are using a dual-swing normal (not power), attack right? One of your weapons is a dagger (to get the delicious 30x damage), right? Also, enemies can hear you swinging anything bigger than a dagger. With 2 daggers, great sneak, and normal attacks, you can literally pick off a group of them in the same room, one at a time.


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@xBlackHeartx If you're playing this fairly, without mods or even exploits (and it sounds like you are), then remember that any 4 pieces of equipment with fortify conjuration 25% on them will make all conjuration spells completely free to cast, meaning you can sit yourself behind some cover and just keep re - summoning Dremoras to 'clear' the hostiles! - All you should have to do is listen for the sound of a Dremora being killed (you should know the sound by now, it's quite distinctive), and immediately re - summon, doing so quite near to yourself if necessary, in case any Falmer come to your position. Believe me, tough as they may be, no Falmer is going to be able to prioritise you as a target with a Daedric Greatsword Of The Inferno constantly hitting them upside the head! - They hurt!


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